As the kids say: LOL, laughing out loud, really LOL! I needed that on Friday
PM, Jay.
Cheers!
Terry


> From: "P. Jay Fleisher" <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Teaching Breakfast List <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:21:42 -0400
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: civility
> 
> Oh, just shut up and go to hell!!
> 
> How's that for civility?
> 
> Actually, civility was always less of an issue between faculty and
> administration than candor and honesty.  I think you guys north of the library
> were quick to find fault with each other (call them like you see them),
> whereas south of the library we were content to just piss on bushes and lay
> claim to territory.  The exception back in the old days was between John New
> and Philo Wilson, who nearly came to blows shortly after eye contact.
> 
> Not to end on sad note, but there is a sad note; Phi passed away last Tuesday
> at home in Orlean on the cape.  I ran the Earth Sciences Department for 16
> years using his files and Moira's memory.  He was a touch act to follow.
> 
> Be well, you old fart
> Jay 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teaching Breakfast List on behalf of Michael H. Siegel
> Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 10:48 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: civility
>  
> I have been retired and away from the campus action long enough that I
> certainly cannot claim that I know what the "civility index" on campus is like
> now. During the time I was on campus I did see very rarely times when faculty
> were uncivil to other faculty: even a couple of actual fistfights. Happily,
> those were infrequent enough to be memorable. More frequent were lapses in
> respect among faculty and most frequently between faculty and administrators
> or faculty and students. I think that the Teaching Breakfast, the College
> Senate and most activities in most Departments have remained above that. It
> would be my hope that members of the campus community could express strong
> opinions, honestly and forcefully, but still show respect and patience for
> views with which they disagree. I think that they have done just that almost
> all the time.
> 
> Mike Siegel
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Teaching Breakfast List on behalf of Walter vom Saal
> Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: civil discourse
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone -
> 
>  
> 
> I have been enjoying following this discussion on email.
> 
>  
> 
> Although it may be only indirectly related to much of the discussion, some of
> you may be interested in something I did some time ago related to
> student-student interaction.  Students were working in small groups in one of
> my classes and some of the groups were having internal problems.  I arranged a
> class discussion of "guidelines for group behavior" and the TA wrote up a set
> of guidelines based on that discussion.  In subsequent classes, when groups
> started working I required each group to look at and discuss those guidelines.
> As a psychology class, it was particularly appropriate to focus on group
> process and ask the students to (a) discuss their ideal group process in
> advance, and (b) have the courage to raise the topic for discussion again if
> anyone in the group felt it needed to be discussed.
> 
>  
> 
> The guidelines are at
> 
http://employees.oneonta.edu/vomsaaw/w/handouts_general/GroupWorkGuidelines.ht>
m
> 
> They also can be found by searching in Google for "Walter vom Saal handouts."
> 
>  
> 
> Walter vom Saal
> 
>