Jack, I'm very interested in your data. Maybe we could spend a brief amount of time hearing what students say does NOT work, but then I hope we could center a Teaching Breakfast discussion around  what actually works witih regard to teaching methods, with specific examples that I could follow in my own courses.

Thanks
Janet

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From:   Kotz, John
Reply To:       Teaching Breakfast List
Sent:   Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:03 PM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:             Re: Teaching Breakfast Thursday!!

Hello all - I was struck by Joanne's email re students and textbooks.
I just returned from the University of Colorado where I spoke to the
Chemistry Department and to a high school chemistry teachers group.
The title of my talk was "Is the Textbook Dead?"  I have collected
fairly extensive data using a survey instrument developed at UMass
that indicates, fairly strongly, that students do not highly value
books as the primary vehicle for learning. This was supported by
anecdotal comments by faculty of the Chemistry Department at Boulder.
(As a textbook author I find it personally distressing.) Re Dick
Staley's work -- I find in my surveys that students value our online
homework system about equally with books, and that lectures lead
their list of effective ways to learn. I am not prepared to concede
the battle to have students use books as the primary source of
information but do believe that we should develop alternatives
learning materials. I would be happy to share my data with folks in
the TB.

Since several people seem to be interested in this subject, maybe we
should put it off for another date.

Jack




>Jim: I won't be able to attend, but I have a suggestion for a topic
>to be discussed. I am finding that students just seem incapable of
>reading and comprehending their texts independently. Dick Staley has
>been implementing a number of alternatives to working with the text.
>I'm sure other people have tried some techniques as well. Must we
>give up assuming that students will read and comprehend
>independently? I think so. Joanne
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Greenberg, James
>       Sent: Tue 11/5/2002 3:27 PM
>       To: [log in to unmask]
>       Cc:
>       Subject: Teaching Breakfast Thursday!!
>
>
>
>       Hi TBers,
>
>       Reminder that the Teaching Breakfast is this Thursday, Nov. 7
>at 8 am in Morris Hall.
>
>       My hopes for having a discussion on student aprehension to
>speaking and how it effects their learning have been dashed for the
>moment.  I have been unable to coordinate it so far - but will keep
>trying.  Thus, Thursday's get together will be to talk about
>whatever you would like, so please come with something on your mind
>you would like to talk about.  Thanks.
>
>               Mr. James B. Greenberg
>               Director Teaching, Learning and Technology Center
>               Milne Library
>               SUNY College at Oneonta
>               Oneonta, New York 13820
>
>               email: [log in to unmask]
>               phone: 607-436-2701
>
>               "Ignorance is curable, stupidity lasts forever"




--
John C. Kotz
University Distinguished Teaching Professor
Chemistry Department
State University of New York
Oneonta, NY 13820
(office phone)  607-436-2454
(home phone)  607-432-2646
http://www.oneonta.edu/faculty/kotzjc/jckhome.html