So much for pedagogy!!
 I'm going to the Autumn for a beer tonight even though you are not. 
 
Hi to Alena and hope things are healthy and joyful for you both.
Your baritone friend,
Paul
 
(Hope you took a copy of the State Times (with your funny face on the front page) back with you.)

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	From: Koeddermann, Achim 
	Sent: Thu 2/27/2003 6:34 AM 
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	Subject: AW: Teaching Breakfast: Searching for the Right Key: Unlocking the Doors to Motivation
	
	

	Dear Jim, I have detected a growing tendency in our incoming students to get discouraged by criticism of any kind when they are 'better' students - in stead of improving their writing skills e.g., they believe that criticism of an A-paper devalues it.  Does anybody have other 'coaching' methods?  In experiments (natural sciences) failure is a legitimate learning method - but how to inlcude it in other classes, since discouraging is not the purpose.  We seem to assess so much that the students are, indeed, learning for the tests.... All the best
	Achim
	
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	        Von: Greenberg, James
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	        Betreff: Teaching Breakfast: Searching for the Right Key: Unlocking the Doors to Motivation
	       
	       
	
	        TBers,
	
	        For our March 5th meeting:
	
	        Bob Rothenberg recently sent me some thoughts for a Teaching Breakfast.
	
	        In athletics, especially at higher levels, one quickly learns the truth of the old saying, "no pain no gain."   If we are "coaches" for students in their learning, does the same no pain no gain hold true?  High level athletes are typically very motivated.  Is this why they are willing to endure almost anything to get better?
	
	        What about the less motivated students:
	
	        Is it possible for learning to take place without pain?
	        Does coddling students hurt them in the long run?
	        Can we teach students to take the "tearing apart" we may do to their work in the interest of furthering their education?
	
	        How many of us have had students respond positively and negatively to this type of grilling?
	
	        What ways have you found work to motivate students?  Have you found grilling them or tearing them apart helps or hurts?  Bring you ideas to the next Teaching Breakfast on March 5th.  
	
	
	                Mr. James B. Greenberg
	                Director Teaching, Learning and Technology Center
	                Milne Library
	                SUNY College at Oneonta
	                Oneonta, New York 13820
	
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	                phone: 607-436-2701
	
	                "Ignorance is curable, stupidity lasts forever"