I agree with Paul. Bill’s response was impressive. Joanne
From: Teaching Breakfast
List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Conway
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:05 PM
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Subject: Re: response to Achim
Bill -
Your
thoughtful and articulate response to Achim's inquiry deserves praise.
Thanks,
Paul
Paul Conway
Professor
of Political Science
SUNY
College at Oneonta
Oneonta,
NY, 13820 - USA
Office
phone: 607-436-3923
From: Teaching Breakfast List on behalf of
William Proulx
Sent: Thu 4/30/2009 11:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Taylor Piece in NYT
Hi Achim,
We have often found ourselves on the opposite side of
discussions and issues. However, I can’t recall a single time when the
discourse hasn’t been civil. As you once commented, “ it takes place
without the presence of poison.” Hence, I have always walked away having
equal to greater respect for you as a colleague. I wish others could
enter discussion with the same poison-less passion.
In my opinion, the medium is not the cause. Rather, it
only provides the opportunity for the boorish to manifest their true
characters. A truly civil individual will be consistently civil
regardless of the time, place, or situation. On the other hand, a boor
will cloak their lack of civility to one degree or another but eventually their
churlish inclinations will come to light. Fortunately, civil
discourse is a learned skill and behavior. As teachers and citizens we
must teach and model that it is possible to be frank without being loutish and
to disagree, even strongly, with civility.
We should help our students and others understand that the goal
of any civil discourse is for both sides to offer their opinions with honesty
and frankness and listen intently to what the other side has to say, and when
the conversation is done, despite passionate disagreement, we have a
better relationship for having done so.
Respectfully,
Bill
William R. Proulx, Ph.D., R.D.
Associate Professor of Nutrition and Dietetics
Department of Human Ecology
205D Human Ecology Building
SUNY College at Oneonta
Oneonta, New York 13820
607-436-2147
From: Teaching Breakfast
List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Achim Koeddermann
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Taylor Piece in NYT
Dear Collegues,
lately,
I tried to move, as chair, some of the dept. discussions to the internet.
My
experience was bad, to say the least.
Two
fractions oppose each other re. email discussions: the one which likes the
"fankness" or the all but civil discourse, and the other that feels
so offended by it that to mend fences becomes almost impossible.
Problem:
do you archieve the (flaming) exchanges? Especially junior faculty feel
vulnerable in this, and it is not truly a free exchange. We also have a
generation gap: how to include the non-media literate oldtimers?
Now,
in my SUNY Senate expereince, none of this became an issue: the listserves have
been very sucessful.
My
STUDENTS seem to navigate this medium (not facebook) much more cautiously.
In my view,
for the colleagues, the electronic medium is causing a decline in civil
discourse.
What is
your expereince?
Achim
"Thoughts without content are empty, intuitions without concepts are blind."
Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, “Transcendental Logic,” Introduction, # 1
Dr. Achim D. Koeddermann, Chair, Philosophy Dept.
SUNY-Oneonta, NY 13820
"Gedanken ohne Inhalt sind leer, Anschauungen ohne Begriffe sind blind"
From: Teaching Breakfast List on behalf of Jim
Greenberg
Sent: Thu 4/30/2009 9:46 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Taylor Piece in NYT
Some
(many) or even all of you may have read the Taylor piece in the NYT on the end
of the university. The link to it is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/opinion/27taylor.html
The piece itself has generated a lot of discussion, but this email is on a
different issue. While reading the comments on this piece, I noticed
there are many hostile remarks back and forth and wonder about "the
decline of civil discourse." What has been your experience with students
involved with electronic discourse in your courses? What about outside courses?
What has been your personal experience? Is the electronic medium
causing a decline in civil discourse?
Thanks.
Mr. James B. Greenberg
Director Teaching, Learning and Technology Center
Milne Library
SUNY College at Oneonta
Oneonta, New York 13820
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