As the kids say: LOL, laughing out loud, really LOL! I needed that on Friday PM, Jay. Cheers! Terry > From: "P. Jay Fleisher" <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: Teaching Breakfast List <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:21:42 -0400 > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: civility > > Oh, just shut up and go to hell!! > > How's that for civility? > > Actually, civility was always less of an issue between faculty and > administration than candor and honesty. I think you guys north of the library > were quick to find fault with each other (call them like you see them), > whereas south of the library we were content to just piss on bushes and lay > claim to territory. The exception back in the old days was between John New > and Philo Wilson, who nearly came to blows shortly after eye contact. > > Not to end on sad note, but there is a sad note; Phi passed away last Tuesday > at home in Orlean on the cape. I ran the Earth Sciences Department for 16 > years using his files and Moira's memory. He was a touch act to follow. > > Be well, you old fart > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teaching Breakfast List on behalf of Michael H. Siegel > Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 10:48 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: civility > > I have been retired and away from the campus action long enough that I > certainly cannot claim that I know what the "civility index" on campus is like > now. During the time I was on campus I did see very rarely times when faculty > were uncivil to other faculty: even a couple of actual fistfights. Happily, > those were infrequent enough to be memorable. More frequent were lapses in > respect among faculty and most frequently between faculty and administrators > or faculty and students. I think that the Teaching Breakfast, the College > Senate and most activities in most Departments have remained above that. It > would be my hope that members of the campus community could express strong > opinions, honestly and forcefully, but still show respect and patience for > views with which they disagree. I think that they have done just that almost > all the time. > > Mike Siegel > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Teaching Breakfast List on behalf of Walter vom Saal > Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 8:57 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: civil discourse > > > > Hi everyone - > > > > I have been enjoying following this discussion on email. > > > > Although it may be only indirectly related to much of the discussion, some of > you may be interested in something I did some time ago related to > student-student interaction. Students were working in small groups in one of > my classes and some of the groups were having internal problems. I arranged a > class discussion of "guidelines for group behavior" and the TA wrote up a set > of guidelines based on that discussion. In subsequent classes, when groups > started working I required each group to look at and discuss those guidelines. > As a psychology class, it was particularly appropriate to focus on group > process and ask the students to (a) discuss their ideal group process in > advance, and (b) have the courage to raise the topic for discussion again if > anyone in the group felt it needed to be discussed. > > > > The guidelines are at > http://employees.oneonta.edu/vomsaaw/w/handouts_general/GroupWorkGuidelines.ht> m > > They also can be found by searching in Google for "Walter vom Saal handouts." > > > > Walter vom Saal > >